In his most recent interview with Joel Osteen, Piers Morgan made the claim that God’s Holy Scripture is simply outdated. Apparently, according to Mr. Morgan, we (the created beings) are far more knowledgeable and culturally advanced than God (the Creator of it all). We know better, because, well, I suppose, times change and we make “progress”. God, apparently, has not gotten the memo.
In an effort to paint Joel Osteen into a corner on the issue of homosexuality, Piers Morgan began their discussion as follows (referring to a previous conversation they’d had on the topic):
“Has your position changed at all after that because it raised a lot of headlines, a lot of controversy. Since then, more states have endorsed same-sex marriage, which is becoming much less of a prohibitive kind of issue than it used to be. What’s your view now?”
Piers, here, is using an “irrelevant appeal”, hoping to persuade Osteen on the subject of same-sex marriage on the grounds that, according to Piers, “five more states have endorsed” it. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of states STILL DO NOT endorse same-sex marriage. And, even if all 50 states DID endorse same-sex marriage, God’s absolute truths trump man’s feeble and often arrogant assertions. Morgan’s appeal, therefore, to a Christian believer is utterly irrelevant.
For those who think along the same lines as Mr. Morgan, here is what the Scripture says, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
One can also make the argument that Piers is attempting to “appeal to popularity”, implying that a growing trend of support of same-sex marriage should be enough for Joel Osteen to change his mind on the matter. But, again, we run into the same problem: it doesn’t matter how “popular” a cultural shift may be, God’s Absolute Truth trumps it, whether we accept it as such, or not.
To Joel Osteen’s credit, he did not back down, and respectfully answered as follows:
“You know Piers, it never really changes because mine is based out of the Scripture. That’s what I believe is what the Scriputre says, that homosexuality is a sin. You know I believed it before and I believe it now…and I would just reiterate what I said. I’m not after…I’m not mad at anybody, I don’t dislike anybody, but you know…respecting my faith and believing in what the Scripture says, that’s the best way I can interpret it.”
With all due respect to Mr. Osteen, the issue of homosexuality, in Scripture, really has no room for “interpretation”. It’s not JUST Osteen’s “interpretation. Scripture (which is God’s Word) makes it very clear.
But, here is where the problem arises. Some clever folks, long ago, have decided to isolate the sin of homosexuality – apart from all other forms of sexual immorality – and have transformed into a “civil right”; attaching the label of “villain” (intolerant) on anybody who stands on God’s Word, while attaching the label of hero (tolerant) on anybody who DOES support same-sex marriage. This is how many have managed to silence Christians on the issue. The scriptural fact, however, is that homosexuality – like Osteen later points out – is NOT the ONLY sexual sin. As long as you can isolate homosexuality, and attach villains and heroes to the issue, there is nowhere to run. Who wants to be seen as a villain?
The entire gay movement can be said to have been rooted in this type of discourse, which is why so many people are shying away from the topic. However, as scripture points out, if we, as HETEROsexuals, commit adultery, or fornicate (pre-marital sex), or ANY other form of sexual immorality, we are just as guily of sin as a “homosexual offender”.
In other words, homosexuals aren’t the sole victims of an oppressive, outdated religion. Why? Because God’s Word applies to EVERYONE at ALL TIMES, past, present AND future, not just those in today’s gay community. Gay people do not have the exclusive right to sin without guilt.
This is why Scripture also makes the following point VERY clear:
“The righteousnouss from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” – Romans 3:22-23
In other words, Mr. Morgan, without Jesus as Savior, NONE of us are good enough, including you; whether we’re black or white, rich or poor, male or female, Democrat or Republican, same-sex supporters, or same-sex opponents. We ALL have fallen short. Unless, of course, there’s somebody out there who foolishly and arrogantly believes he/she hasn’t fallen short.
Precisely because we all “fall short” that it is absolutely crucial that we understand what Jesus Christ did for all on the cross. He died to make a way for us to the Father. This is how God has demonstrated His love for us; which is highlighted in the well-known biblical passage:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” – John 3:16
Though we all “fall short”, we all can benefit from God’s gracious, loving and redemptive power, IF we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, the One who paid the ultimate price.
Piers Morgan, however, does not appear to understand this and, therefore, makes the suggestion that God’s Holy Scripture must be flawed, outdated, and in some ways irrelevant in our “modern” day:
“But shouldn’t the Scripture be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern age? We were talking before the break about the issue of any eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Not everything in the Scriptures really is, in my view, conducive to modern life. I mean, like everything else, doesn’t it have to move with the times?”
The short and obvious answer to that is: No. It doesn’t have to “move with the times” Mr. Morgan because God’s Word is timeless and far superior to man’s feeble, arrogant, foolish, and limited assertions. This has been the problem from the beginning: man’s rebellion against God. We like to believe we know better. It is the sin of pride that separates us from our Creator.
The biblical reference that Mr. Mogan makes is found in the Old Testament, in the book of Exodus. And, it is a very weak comparison that Mr. Morgan attempts to draw. The Old Testament is permeated with “The Law” (The 10 Commandments), which was handed down to Moses from God. The Ten Commandments, and all other forms of instruction from God, were very strict and they served a very important purpose. They clearly highlighted our utter inability, in our human condition, to abide by them, making it obvious that we are in need of One who would intercede for us. We always “fall short” – even to this day. This doesn’t mean the “Law” is no longer applicable. It means that while we struggle to abide by these rules AND find ourselves failing, we have someone to turn to: Jesus Christ, the redeemer.
It is for this reason that the New Testament is all about Christ’s death and resurrection, which makes it possible for All of us to be redeemed. The eye for an eye principle does not apply, NOT because the Scripture is outdated, but because God’s magnificent work has always served its purpose, from the very beginning.
If any “inconsistencies” or “outdated” ideas are found in God’s Holy Scripture, Mr. Morgan, it isn’t because God is flawed and old-fashioned, but rather because we, as his created beings, have failed to see and understand God’s ways; and in fact arrogantly and foolishly continue to rebell against Him, believing we know better.